Stephen A. scoffs at notion LeBron-Kobe could've beaten MJ-Pippen | First Take

  • Published: 01 November 2018
  • Stephen A. Smith says LeBron James would've benefited more from Kobe Bryant, and LeBron wouldn't have struggled to win a title as long as he did if he teamed up with Kobe. Max Kellerman disagrees and says Kobe Bryant needed LeBron James more for his legacy. Stephen A. and Max then debate if a LeBron-Kobe duo for the Los Angeles Lakers would've topped Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen at the height of the Chicago Bulls.

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  • Tobe La
    Tobe La  22 hours back

    stephen a. need to learn to shut tf up

    • Jamal Black OP Chakuu Negro Crawford

      MJ so competitive, I believe he will not lose to LeBron and Kobe.

      • Jamal Black OP Chakuu Negro Crawford

        MJ had the killer mentality all his career, Kobe and LeBron had to work getting that killer mentality.

        • Cody Janes
          Cody Janes  5 days back

          wasn’t kobe 9x 1st team all defense?

          • Renae Broome
            Renae Broome  5 days back

            Take LeBron off cause he's 3-6 in The finals add Kevin Durant

            • Effendi Nkwenti
              Effendi Nkwenti  6 days back

              I feel like Kobe would have maybe benifited a little because Kobe would be a lot up shooter at times LeBron would stretch floor with his court vision both would score some nights one would have a break through game
              Both can play defense to LeBron is physical bulls would have trouble with that

              • Custom Lego Creations
                Custom Lego Creations  6 days back

                lebron kobe would be beat them tho

                • Super High
                  Super High  6 days back

                  Jordan with his back against the basket nearly unstoppable plus the way Jordan could effortlessly palm the ball. Sorry to much magic/IQ in Jordan's game!

                  • Tronkiño !
                    Tronkiño !  6 days back

                    LeBron and Kobe would have destroyed Jordan and Scottie easy

                    • Eli C
                      Eli C  6 days back

                      Max > Stephen A. On this one

                      • Mikes Janos
                        Mikes Janos  1 weeks back

                        Sry Steven a but it's true

                        • Ky
                          Ky  1 weeks back

                          No offense to Pippen, but he ain’t no Kobe or Lebron. Lebron & Kobe would sweep MJ & Pippen

                          • Buckeye Made
                            Buckeye Made  1 weeks back

                            Im taking Kobe and Bron Everytime 🤷

                            • anima099
                              anima099  1 weeks back

                              No offense to Pip, but I'll pick LeBron over him at the playground. Pippen played his best alongside Jordan, and he gave the Bulls 55 wins without Jordan - just two games shy of the previous year *with* Jordan. However, I don't see prime Pippen taking 2017 Cavs to the Finals. I don't think even Jordan could have taken *that* team out of the East.

                              Pippen also never averaged more than 22 points in his entire career, while LeBron's consistently getting 26 pts during the regular season on average since he turned 20. LeBron's almost 35 now. Then we also consider that the only edge Pippen has over LeBron is on defense, but it's 2 on 2 so passing is actually allowed. I don't think I need to explain why LeBron is a great passer. LeBron's offense will neutralize Pippen's defense and LeBron's passing will *ignore* it in a 2v2.

                              The only question is Kobe's consistency, because Black Mamba needs to shoot a lot to score a lot. In his prime, Kobe needed 20 shots to sink 11, and I'm rounding it off in favor of Kobe. LeBron will be giving him all the looks he needs, but can Kobe sink shots with Jordan on his tail? I think that's a tall order. How good can Kobe guard MJ? How many players can guard MJ 1v1? Is Kobe one of them? 50/50 at most.

                              It will then boil down between LeBron and MJ again. However, LeBron actually has a scorer as a partner, and I think that extra 7 point average over Pippen will make the difference.

                              If they wanted to keep the 2v2 interesting, MJ should have Magic as his partner. Now, *that's* debatable.

                              • LA Star Blu
                                LA Star Blu  1 weeks back

                                Lol that’s so dumb Pippen isn’t as good as Kobe or LeBron

                                • Monk Mode
                                  Monk Mode  1 weeks back

                                  I grew up watching Pippen and Jordan but Kobe and LeBron? What? They'll mash Jordan and Pippen out!

                                  • SugarRay2
                                    SugarRay2  1 weeks back

                                    Max generally makes a whole lot of sense. How this guy could sustain Steven A for this long, boy they must be paying him millions!

                                    • Jesus Peres
                                      Jesus Peres  1 weeks back

                                      Not a fan of LeBron at all but if he teamed with Kobe .. they'd easily beat MJ and Scotti

                                      • Abeselom Alene
                                        Abeselom Alene  1 weeks back

                                        Max: well argued...but you're wrong
                                        Stephen: im not
                                        I love them two 😂😂🔥

                                        • Brian Higgins
                                          Brian Higgins  1 weeks back

                                          I think Kobe-Shaq or Lebron-Shaq would be better than Lebron-Kobe, not because Shaq is better, but because it is a more complimentary situation.

                                          • Quincy Greedy65
                                            Quincy Greedy65  1 weeks back

                                            Sas lost this debate

                                            • mustafa alaubeidy
                                              mustafa alaubeidy  1 weeks back

                                              Lebum isn’t better than mj or Kobe js

                                              • Keyronday
                                                Keyronday  1 weeks back

                                                Steven a JUST SHUT THE PHUCKING UP....... CAUSE IT

                                                • Keyronday
                                                  Keyronday  1 weeks back

                                                  Pippen had Magic

                                                  • Keyronday
                                                    Keyronday  1 weeks back

                                                    Steve look Mike is a Red Kobe is a red.... LeBron and pippen are Blue max are 100000000000000% RIGHT....

                                                    • Keyronday
                                                      Keyronday  1 weeks back

                                                      Max a 1000% RIGHT

                                                      • Keyronday
                                                        Keyronday  1 weeks back

                                                        For all the head Steven a Smith got he STILL knows Nothing about Basketball.................

                                                        • lee yehwan
                                                          lee yehwan  2 weeks back

                                                          come on. Lebron and Kobe over MJ and Pippen anyday

                                                          • vahuid
                                                            vahuid  2 weeks back

                                                            MJ is the best. But Lebron and Kobe in their prime, i think they would beat MJ and Pippen ;)

                                                            • Christian Bebee
                                                              Christian Bebee  2 weeks back

                                                              Didn’t Lebron lock down D Rose in the playoffs when Rose was in his prime? 🤔 Was Jordan or Pippen ever the shot blocker Lebron was? Jordan and Pippen were great defenders, but its just things Lebron did defensively that they couldn’t do.

                                                              • pitbulkid
                                                                pitbulkid  2 weeks back

                                                                Kobe and Lebron?? whose shooting and whose passing??

                                                                Those 2 dictates their own play..they dont mix

                                                                • Izaiah Wilkins
                                                                  Izaiah Wilkins  2 weeks back

                                                                  Go to any Kobe film then go to a Jordan film

                                                                  • Izaiah Wilkins
                                                                    Izaiah Wilkins  2 weeks back

                                                                    Bruh they keep saying the old era was more physical that’s completely wrong you can easily see that

                                                                    • Lieutenant Powell
                                                                      Lieutenant Powell  2 weeks back

                                                                      I think Stephen A is absolutely right he would have tapped into that greatness a lot earlier and this would be a way better conversation about the goat...... But this would b the game of all games

                                                                      • Zu The King
                                                                        Zu The King  2 weeks back

                                                                        Point Blank.! Kobe would have benefited more by having LeBron just because Kobe would have ended his career with more rings than Jordan. Kobe would have at least 9 Rings if he had Lebron from his rookie year!!!

                                                                        • Keifjdhds DJdndjcncmd
                                                                          Keifjdhds DJdndjcncmd  2 weeks back

                                                                          People forget how good Kobe was defensively...i think he had like 14 all defensive selections (correct me if I’m wrong because I’m not sure the exact number)....don’t get me wrong MJ and Pippen were great but cmon, stop acting like MJ can overcome anything because he can’t...a Kobe Bryant and Lebron James pairing would beat MJ and Scottie...Max is right

                                                                          • Barend Van Dyk
                                                                            Barend Van Dyk  2 weeks back

                                                                            It would be a good matchup. I think it could go 50/50 or 60/40 winning either way. Lebron has learned overtime how to take charge and finish the game and being clutch. I would not say he is as good with killer mentality and clutch as kobe or MJ, but Lebron who can finish the game can also make great plays (being one of the smartest players that we know) and then he has the great Black Mamba with him. So, even if Lebron decided to not to take charge, he can setup Kobe every time with passing or whatever. Lebron would be the best passer and the strongest of the 4 of them. I see it like.... MJ (Lv. 10!) with Pippen (Lv. 8) against Kobe (Lv. 9-9.5) with Lebron (Lv. 9.5). So, MJ + Pippen = 18, and Kobe + Lebron = 19. But just because 19 is one higher than 18, doesnt mean Kobe and Lebron will win everytime because MJ and Pippen have that chemistry. Although Lebron and Kobe dont have a strong chemistry, Lebron is such a smart player and good passer, he knows how to set up just about anybody, whether a teammate or stranger. So again, all in all a very good match, that we can only dream of seeing.

                                                                            • Michael Robinson
                                                                              Michael Robinson  3 weeks back

                                                                              Lets be real. Kobe and LeBron destroys MJ and Pippen. Not even close

                                                                              • Macus Hentley
                                                                                Macus Hentley  3 weeks back

                                                                                It’s about era Mj had his era
                                                                                Kobe has his
                                                                                We are in lebrons right now

                                                                                • Mike Sanchez
                                                                                  Mike Sanchez  3 weeks back

                                                                                  It's not the "killer mentality" or "Mamba Mentality" Lebron lacked early on it's the simple fact that Bron was a playmaking savant he can make any player look better in any era. He's the second coming of Magic not MJ

                                                                                  • Dre Tv.
                                                                                    Dre Tv.  3 weeks back

                                                                                    I know that they get paid to make outlandish arguments but certain things shouldn’t be said. To actually think that Mj and Pippen could beat Kobe and Lebron is really ignorant. That’s something a little kid would say. Come on now at least make an intelligent argument

                                                                                    • Tim Cordier
                                                                                      Tim Cordier  3 weeks back

                                                                                      You know what I'm not gonna get offended by a guys opinion who can't even pronounce the word maturing correctly.

                                                                                      • Tim Cordier
                                                                                        Tim Cordier  3 weeks back

                                                                                        Lebron and kobe would have dominated mj and pippen. That's facts. Lebron would body scottie pippen. Pippen is the most overrated player ever. And KOBE would benefit from LEBRON, not vice versa.

                                                                                        • Brian Mitchell
                                                                                          Brian Mitchell  3 weeks back

                                                                                          Stop it Stephen A. You sound like Skip right now lol

                                                                                          • Stace T
                                                                                            Stace T  3 weeks back

                                                                                            Mj and Pippen. MJ is the 🐐🐐🐐

                                                                                            • Jerry823Coates
                                                                                              Jerry823Coates  3 weeks back

                                                                                              No duo in life could ever defeat kobe and lebron together pippen couldn't hold his lebron would shut pippin down and a torch em on the other end

                                                                                              • Simtube S
                                                                                                Simtube S  3 weeks back

                                                                                                2 totally different types of games. Kobe was in old school type of playing (physicality and most important- hand-checking)
                                                                                                Lebron J. spend mostly in new era. No hand checking, fouls for the most minute physicality. But most importantly 3 point style coaching.
                                                                                                In their primes:
                                                                                                Old era MJ and pippen against Kobe and LJ. MJ and pippen no question would win.

                                                                                                New era would be hard to tell who would win. MJ and pippen would have evolve. And Kobe too for that matter.
                                                                                                LJ would just keep shooting 3s and maybe layups- MJ and or Pippen would be way too fast for him.

                                                                                                • Peezy
                                                                                                  Peezy  3 weeks back

                                                                                                  People hype Mj up like he never lost. He played 15 years and has 6 rings. What happened the other 9 years? Don't worry I'll wait