The 2020 Toyota Supra Isn't As Fun As The Toyota 86

  • Published: 22 May 2019
  • 2020 Toyota Supra vs Toyota 86 TRD - Which Is More Fun To Drive?
    After driving the new Supra back to back with the 86 TRD, I found myself smiling more while driving the wonderfully handling 86.

    The 2020 Toyota Supra and 2019 Toyota 86 offer new car buyers an interesting choice: excellent torque and road presence, or lightweight and nimble. Dimensionally, they're both quite similar, though the Supra weighs about 600 lbs more. Surprisingly, the Supra actually has a lower center of gravity than the 86, even though the 86 has a boxer engine rather than a tall inline six-cylinder like the Supra. Part of this is thanks to the Supra's lower ground clearance, at 4.5 inches rather than 4.9.

    Driving the two vehicles back to back at Summit Point Motorsports Park, I found myself enjoying the 86 more than the Supra, much to my own surprise. After breaking down each of the cars mechanically, I think there are very clear reasons as to why I had such a great time in the 86. The video will discuss four reason I think the Toyota 86 is more fun than the Supra.

    Curb Weights
    Toyota TRD 86 (Manual) - 2837 lbs [1287 kg]
    2020 Toyota Supra (3.0) - 3397 lbs [1541 kg] (+560 lbs)
    Toyota 86 (Base, Manual) - 2776 lbs [1259 kg] (-621 lbs)

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  • EsDi
    EsDi  2 days back

    Im sorry but i own now 7 years gt86.. and from the start till now ive 26k km total driven.. i had not the feel of fun at all with the car.. its underpowered should have had 300/400hp its weak and was so happy about the supra with the announcement.. so i guess we will see in a year

    • Masrur Ridho Akbar
      Masrur Ridho Akbar  3 days back


      • lazerstare
        lazerstare  2 weeks back

        Living in Denver where there's about a 30ish days of snow throughout winter, would you still pick an 86 over a WRX/STI? I would have it mostly as a Sunday driver. I do like the positive points of both 86 and WRX.

        • Jack-Spicer
          Jack-Spicer  4 weeks back

          Well yeah the Toyota is gonna be more fun than the bmw 😆

          • Richard Denson
            Richard Denson  4 weeks back

            The big question is how much different is the maintenance. BMW cars are notorious for poor quality and high maintenance.

            • Jeremiah Gottwald
              Jeremiah Gottwald  1 months back

              Can we get the MR2 back now?

              • Erik Montoya
                Erik Montoya  1 months back

                I went on feb asking for a Supra and I was told they not selling it yet, went back on the month of the Supra release like 2 weeks later and they let me take it for a spin. It was fun and I felt really good on it but I also asked for the TRD manual 86 and it just gave me a big smile in my face cause I felt it a lot more lighter and being able to play with the gears going to 3rd to 4th and 5th is what really got to me

                • Myles
                  Myles  2 months back

                  The supra has a lower center of gravity

                  • Frederick Schulze
                    Frederick Schulze  2 months back

                    Seems like the Mk4 Supra is still king. Better luck with the Mk6 Toyota.

                    • Carl Capulong
                      Carl Capulong  2 months back

                      Manual > Automatic
                      specially in entry level sportscar

                      • Zublits
                        Zublits  2 months back

                        I'm being a good boy and waiting 6mo to buy my GT86 so I can put a decent chunk down. These videos are killing me. I want it now!

                        • Mohit Sharma
                          Mohit Sharma  1 months back

                          Dude, patience is key. I wish I wasn't so eager and could have bought a used BRZ instead of the 2018 one I bought (absolutely love the car but I could've saved a lot of money). I wish I was patient there, wait it out and it'll be worth it in the end!

                      • Hyper Matrix
                        Hyper Matrix  2 months back

                        This guy says a 0-60 time of 6.8 seconds is plenty fast. Bro....that's 1 second slower than a v6 camry. Lol. It may be a good car for you, based on your driving ability. Because if you're not comfortable utilizing cars with more power to their full potential, then yes that's definitely a waste. But I would have to say the majority of Supra fans I know, are looking for a 0-60 time that's faster than the lowest tier bmw x5 which weighs 5000lbs, powered by a 3 liter v6, pulling 0-60 in 6.1 seconds (bmw numbers....which means actual speed is usually even faster).

                        • xSikks
                          xSikks  2 months back

                          The Supra doesn't have a lower center of gravity than the 86. Toyota said it would but upon release, it doesn't.

                          • The Gold Mind
                            The Gold Mind  2 months back

                            How would you compare this 2019 Toyota 86 Trd to a 2019 Mazda Mx5 club soft top Jason

                            • Bryan Liguori
                              Bryan Liguori  2 months back

                              Oh psh "great visibility" my ass. I love my FR-S for the rest of the same reasons you said, but it always disappoints me when I first sit down in it after previously driving almost any other car.
                              I guess it's still better than most modern 2-doors though I guess..

                              • MrMoneyHelper
                                MrMoneyHelper  2 months back

                                From what I've heard others say about poor BMW reliability, the 86 will ultimately last longer than the Supra and thus be faster in the long run. If a Supra needs to be in the shop often and falls apart; the 86 will still be on the road having fun.

                                • Alexander Addai Boateng
                                  Alexander Addai Boateng  2 months back

                                  the 86 was built by subaru

                                  • Arno
                                    Arno  2 months back

                                    I hear what you are saying, but the 86 is pretty poor($$$) feeling car. even for the lesser price i wouldn't buy it. It's like trying to convince me to buy a car that is stripped back yet it isn't a Caterham or a Lotus 7 or a Porsche speedster lol... If that is your budget then that will be amazing, but if you can afford more and want the fun with just a bit more bling than a cardboard box then you will justify the extra $$$ pretty easily.

                                    • t.j pennington
                                      t.j pennington  2 months back

                                      Toyota and Subaru should make a 86sti or 86trd where it has a flat 6 (and maybe awd)

                                      • B H
                                        B H  2 months back

                                        Thank you!

                                        • Biz Hacks
                                          Biz Hacks  2 months back

                                          I had no clue toyota had this car. the 86 looks cool. great video

                                          • macpumperkinz
                                            macpumperkinz  2 months back

                                            im not surprised in the least, 86's look better anyway

                                            • Rumple Stiltskin
                                              Rumple Stiltskin  2 months back

                                              I gather this was built on the Subaru BRZ or WRX with the boxer mechanical foundation for Toyota. The pedals are far too close together on the "Stick" model, so I am opting for an Automatic with paddle shifters. It cost a little more but well worth not having to deal with a manual transmission when in commute traffic. I've spent two weeks looking for just the right car, and I have eliminated almost all as either too expensive and too small. This two liter turbo charged four apparently goes like hell, which has made me take notice of this small light automobile.

                                              • The Left Lane
                                                The Left Lane  2 months back

                                                Am I crazy or were you at Shenadoah at Summit Point in West Virginia?

                                                • Brian Hall
                                                  Brian Hall  3 months back

                                                  A stick is always more fun!

                                                  • SirStrombom
                                                    SirStrombom  3 months back

                                                    Supra at 4:45 ?

                                                    • Joshua Plata
                                                      Joshua Plata  3 months back

                                                      Hmmmm supra been spotted at 4:47 while he was driving maybe I guess i could be rong but while driving a gt86 and passed the supra but I like both the supra and gt86 trd special edition and the normal one

                                                      • Ganga In Denial
                                                        Ganga In Denial  3 months back

                                                        The new Supra is also uglier especially the front end!!!

                                                        • DEJIKIN
                                                          DEJIKIN  3 months back

                                                          86 for the win

                                                          • khvidtube1617
                                                            khvidtube1617  3 months back

                                                            Light weight is fun and sliding because it lacks traction. When it comes to safety and performance, either weight or a good down-force is your only good friend.

                                                            • Aaditya Pratap Singh
                                                              Aaditya Pratap Singh  3 months back

                                                              Oft-repeated reason/already known reason, but my own feelings: I was heavily disappointed upon the 2019 Supra's release mainly due to the lack of a manual transmission. Come on, Toyota, it won't ever be a Supra until it gets a manual tranny! I wish I could test drive an 86/BRZ as well.

                                                              • Gaston Maqueda
                                                                Gaston Maqueda  3 months back

                                                                Despite what the Forza Motorsports kid drivers says (you know... is slow, more power, turbo, bla bla bla)
                                                                The GT86/BRZ is one of the best drivers cars you can buy today. This little thing will be a classic

                                                                RWD, Manual transmission, natural aspirated engine, driving aids disangaegable, torsen diff, boxer engine, amazing weight balance,. All that combo transform this car in a ultimate driver machine.
                                                                Like a real sport car needs to be.

                                                                Only a few people (The real petrolheads) can understand the concept, but actually the BRZ/GT86 is a automotive masterpiece.

                                                                All the most prestiguois car testers around the world give to the car 5 stars in a driving experience

                                                                What says a bunch of Dominic Torettos kids who spend more time in forums talking about HP or playing videogames than behind the wheel, nobody cares

                                                                • Gaston Maqueda
                                                                  Gaston Maqueda  1 months back

                                                                  @Mohit Sharma

                                                                  I bet it.
                                                                  My reasons

                                                                  1) In a world of HP, automatic transmission, turbos and electronics. This one is RAW, natural aspirated, manual and not very powefull. 100% drive dedicated. Different than other cars. A unique concept in the modern car world.

                                                                  2) Beautiful design

                                                                  3) Only build in one factory in entire world. Subaru Factory Gunma - Japan

                                                                  4) The car won many awards

                                                                  5) Its a Pure Sport (One of the last ones)

                                                                  6) Not have too many around and the majority are modificated. Is not an easy car to see in the street.

                                                                  7) comes from the alliance of Toyota and Subaru. Two Japanese brands with a lot of history in motorsports. Subaru Rally, Toyota GT500, Rally, F1 and Lemans

                                                                  8) The Heritage . The Toyota 2000GT and the AE86 Trueno. Both classic cars right now

                                                                  9) All of the most prestigious car reviewers of the world, gives a car a thumb up

                                                                • Mohit Sharma
                                                                  Mohit Sharma  1 months back

                                                                  I'm hoping for the BRZ to turn into a classic ala the Miata and S2000.

                                                              • Tim Moïse
                                                                Tim Moïse  3 months back

                                                                The new 86 is more fun to drive than the new Supra... so were the original 86s and Supras? Am I wrong on that?

                                                                • Angel B
                                                                  Angel B  3 months back

                                                                  I have a '13 manual FRS and I want to get the Supra!!! I like that they're similar as you stated but of course the Supra has more power torque and most of all its automatic which for older me (29) would be great cause Cali traffic gets annoying with a manual. thanks for this! PS the FRS is a dream on Canyon runs it'll be my track car and the Supra or whatever car end up with will take over the clean ass dd title that my FRS is currently holding.

                                                                  • Trigger Troll
                                                                    Trigger Troll  3 months back

                                                                    Great video however....

                                                                    • Trigger Troll
                                                                      Trigger Troll  3 months back

                                                                      They are both dead now. 2020 corvette just showed up. 0-60 under 3 sec, mid engine 6.2 v8 small block , 8 speed dual clutch and gorgeous. Did I say it’s $60k? Ya it’s a $60 k mid engine super car.

                                                                      • Trigger Troll
                                                                        Trigger Troll  3 months back

                                                                        Oh me? Cipher Ok but I hope you like the looks of the new corvette taillights.

                                                                      • Oh me? Cipher
                                                                        Oh me? Cipher  3 months back

                                                                        I mean, the car IS great, performance wise it's perfect, looks are ohhkay but i'd still take the 86/brz.

                                                                    • Dustin Stammen
                                                                      Dustin Stammen  3 months back

                                                                      Hey smiles per mile really does matter

                                                                      • Dime
                                                                        Dime  3 months back

                                                                        Sure !!!!

                                                                        • Roger Macaranas
                                                                          Roger Macaranas  3 months back

                                                                          Toyota lexus subaru are same engine same pattern its much better japanese car than other brand

                                                                          • alex W
                                                                            alex W  3 months back

                                                                            86 looks waay better

                                                                            • harrison handel
                                                                              harrison handel  3 months back

                                                                              “86 owner” - THANKS!

                                                                              • VSC is OFF. Really.
                                                                                VSC is OFF. Really.  3 months back

                                                                                The difference is always NEED vs. WANT. Do we need a Manual for performance today? No. Do we want it? Yes. Do we need a manual to be more fun? Yes.
                                                                                The 86/BRZ still delivers, as does the Boxter/Cayman.

                                                                                • Kamazuki Junuh
                                                                                  Kamazuki Junuh  3 months back

                                                                                  Whas seats are those on the 86?

                                                                                  • Ohlukei
                                                                                    Ohlukei  3 months back

                                                                                    Also try the new Suzuki Swift Sport. It got a manual gear shifting, a manual handbrake and the weight is only 970 kg. :-)

                                                                                    • Dan bish
                                                                                      Dan bish  3 months back

                                                                                      Lol toyotas best are made by Subaru and BMW . Haha

                                                                                      • Ibnu Zandra BACHTIAR
                                                                                        Ibnu Zandra BACHTIAR  3 months back

                                                                                        GT 86 with 2JZ

                                                                                        • Jpriest13
                                                                                          Jpriest13  3 months back

                                                                                          I still want a Skyline R34.

                                                                                          • Captain Drake
                                                                                            Captain Drake  3 months back

                                                                                            Hahaha thanks for this video, I get you (I don't own an 86).