Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

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  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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Comments • 4 781

  • Looper
    Looper   1 months back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Pam Pam Nospam Maam
      Pam Pam Nospam Maam  2 days back

      Before the psychiatrist scene, the movie climaxes with young Bruce surveying his dead parents in a Gotham City back alley

      The "joke" that we "won't get" is that the entire superhero genre we've been bombarded with for the last decade, represented by that iconic Batman Origin scene, is a psychotic delusion, mocked by the movie's journey from the neo-realist opening along increasingly improbable narrative lines culminating in Joker's miraculous rescue and wish-fulfilling adulation, which reflect cinema's journey into infantile fantasy.

    • ASTROCHRONIC
      ASTROCHRONIC  2 days back

      @Darrell Croswell I hear ya, but it could be that if he fantasized about killing the bankers on the train, he could have fantasized it turning into a movement and if he fantasized about killing Murray on live TV, he might presumably fantasize about someone he inspired using his line and killing Thomas Wayne....also, Arthur Fleck isnt the same Joker that Batman faces later, if he were, he would be about 60 or 70 years old since Fleck is clearly in his 40s at least. A. Fleck might actually be a stupid pun on Ben Affleck being kind of a clown as Batman...but probably not.

    • Darrell Croswell
      Darrell Croswell  2 days back

      The lighting and production design before the subway murders was red and green. After that it was predominantly blue and yellow.
      Also, the wall street guy took off his green wig, which I think was very symbolic. I believe the events after that were not delusional. Otherwise, why would Bruce Wayne's killer have quoted, "you get what you f****** deserve!" pertaining to Murray Franklin's live, on-TV murder?
      I went to see it 5 times, but I have a very old affinity for the Joker. If they come out and try to take away the Joker character by "saying what they meant," and just make him a psycho in the mental hospital...I'll; well, be upset. It's a movie about the Joker!

      Also, keep in mind that he was in the mental hospital previously to the starrt of the movie and that the final scene he walks out with blood on his shoes and is still dancing as he runs away from the orderlies.

      I need that beautiful scene when he comes-to on the hood of the police car to be real. Haha.

      "Knock.
      Knock."

    • Nunya Bizwacks
      Nunya Bizwacks  6 days back

      @Jeff A. i agree. Thats garbage

    • ASTROCHRONIC
      ASTROCHRONIC  1 weeks back

      The part where he killed the guys on the subway and the part where he killed his mother....I think those were real, not sure about the rest.

  • kenyanr1
    kenyanr1  10 hours back

    They're hoping people don't label the movie as what it really was:
    A movie about mental illness

    • Jean Ibrahim
      Jean Ibrahim  16 hours back

      why cant people just enjoy the movie? i have no idea what kind of people obsessively tries to find meaning in every single line, but there are a lot of you doing it. just stop and enjoy the movie. or dont and go watch something else.

      • leam cord
        leam cord  20 hours back

        I thought he was laughing about Bruce now being an orphan too and irony of it all with him thinking Thomas was his father.

        • Gav Toye
          Gav Toye  1 days back

          Batman is just a figment of Arthur's imagination.

          • ButtStuffBrendan YAY
            ButtStuffBrendan YAY  2 days back

            I love all of the movie

            • Pam Pam Nospam Maam
              Pam Pam Nospam Maam  2 days back

              Before the psychiatrist scene, the movie climaxes with young Bruce surveying his dead parents in a Gotham City back alley

              The "joke" that we "won't get" is that the entire superhero genre we've been bombarded with for the last decade, represented by that iconic Batman Origin scene, is a psychotic delusion, mocked by the movie's journey from the neo-realist opening along increasingly improbable narrative lines culminating in Joker's miraculous rescue and wish-fulfilling adulation, which reflect cinema's journey into infantile fantasy.

              • Tobey Anne Russell
                Tobey Anne Russell  2 days back

                If what this video is saying and possibly the director is saying then why even make the movie? Why is it so complicated? The ending is Arthur after everything. Bruce is still a kid. Joaquin was brilliant and deserving of an Oscar. Don't ruin it with this shit that none of it was real or there's a different joker nonsense.

                • theillegalcause
                  theillegalcause  2 days back

                  End scene ruined the entire movie with a hackneyed cheap twist.

                  • Henry
                    Henry  2 days back

                    Garbages theories which ruin a great movie

                    • Zaizen Tosuke
                      Zaizen Tosuke  2 days back

                      I think the joke was that in the end he got his revenge on Bruce Wayne, by inspiring a mass riot, and that made him happy.

                      • Darrell Croswell
                        Darrell Croswell  2 days back

                        the lighting and production design before the subway murders was red and green. After that it was predominantly blue and yellow.
                        Also, the wall street guy took off his green wig, which I think was very symbolic. I believe the events after that were not delusional.

                        If they come out and try to take away the Joker character by "saying what they meant," and just make him psycho in the mental hospital...I'll; well. Be upset. it's a movie about the Joker!

                        "Knock. Knock."

                        • Vipan Chander
                          Vipan Chander  2 days back

                          Batman must have guts to not to fall into joker's madness as everyone is so in to it just saying

                          • Hibou San
                            Hibou San  3 days back

                            No in my opinion, Arthur IS the Joker, Philips doesn't want to make a sequel in which Arthur and the Bat would fight each other because that would be a typical comics movie, it's almost like Joker ain't a comics movie at all, I mean it could basically be a story happening in the real world about a random man who loses his mind and it'd still be pretty much the same great movie.

                            Also, I don't want a sequel for that movie, I loved it and I feel like anything they do from there won't be as good as the movie was, maybe I'm wrong, I guess we'll see since Warner Bros, Phoenix and Philips seem to want to make it happen but I hope I won't be disapointed.

                            For now Philips won, he proved his point about woke culture ruining everything, the woke-free movie reached the billion dollar mark despite every attempt from the medias and social justice warriors to make it fail, it's a victory and I hope it can remain like that, I'm not sure a sequel is a good idea but these guys are very good so they deserve our trust.

                            • Adrian Persaud
                              Adrian Persaud  3 days back

                              How about we stop with this different suggestion shit and just say this is the joker and this is his origin story. Why does everything have to be complicated. He’s way too great in this role for him to be an imposter, that’s a spit on his performance in my opinion.

                              • Andrew Ramage
                                Andrew Ramage  3 days back

                                Why couldn’t of it just been a flashback, it would’ve been a lot better, his story was great

                                • TurtleClown
                                  TurtleClown  4 days back

                                  Ill be mad if joaquin doesnt appear as joker in future batman films!

                                  • sagar kc
                                    sagar kc  4 days back

                                    I also believe in that "inspired" theory of joker.Arthur inspiring Joker as the story was being passed around.......

                                    • John Johns
                                      John Johns  4 days back

                                      Movie was badass

                                      • Cacilia Why
                                        Cacilia Why  4 days back

                                        The director also said that this was the powder to Joker's beginning. I guess you could see that as someone else copying his style. But I prefer to see it as something that really happened, except for the few times he was imagining things. The whole movie not being real takes away from the tragedy of his life.

                                        • Tigerman1138
                                          Tigerman1138  5 days back

                                          Two things:

                                          1. It should be a stand alone movie

                                          2. Not “it’s all a Dream”, that is a LAME and a TIRED trope.


                                          My belief, and not that you’d care, is:

                                          Everything we’ve seen happened. The end is him recommitted.

                                          • Iustin Ignatiu
                                            Iustin Ignatiu  5 days back

                                            Lol he laughed because he made batman idiots

                                            • CHRISTY M
                                              CHRISTY M  5 days back

                                              I'm glad that he doesn´t explained the real truth behind the movie and that he said its up to yourself how you interpret it. I actually don't want to hear the truth. I would be sad if this all was just in Arthurs Imagination.

                                              • Leonis Krigorian
                                                Leonis Krigorian  5 days back

                                                New 52 had Batman find out that there are 3 real Jokers.

                                                • باحث وناقد
                                                  باحث وناقد  5 days back

                                                  Its just a Depressing movie

                                                  • ed gein
                                                    ed gein  6 days back

                                                    Great film

                                                    • Andrew Ramage
                                                      Andrew Ramage  6 days back

                                                      They literally ruined the movie with all these possibilities

                                                      • PRIDE
                                                        PRIDE  6 days back

                                                        First this was the best movie i ever saw in my entire life. But you Guys are trying to fuck iT up for me. Dont give these poeple attention and enjoy the movie Guys. You think if hè wasnt the joker hè would hit the box Office? 😂😂😂

                                                        • dosia
                                                          dosia  6 days back

                                                          I hate when directors be like " the ending is up to you"

                                                          • Your Barista
                                                            Your Barista  6 days back

                                                            “You wouldn’t get it.”

                                                            Answer: George Soros was backing him.

                                                            • D'Angelo Duran
                                                              D'Angelo Duran  6 days back

                                                              Bruce Wayne will be the Joker

                                                              Nov. 15, 2019

                                                              • xyz L
                                                                xyz L  7 days back

                                                                It's so boring to see a man like this can become the villain of all time in America. If you are born in other parts of the world like China or some middle east country, Joker's pain would be the bless from heaven.

                                                                • Pat Santiago
                                                                  Pat Santiago  1 weeks back

                                                                  Hope you read this mssge before wasting 4 minutes of your life. Director does not explain anything, as a matter of fact he actually says "one day I will say what we meant when writing it." 🤦‍♀️ You can thank me later.

                                                                  • Jenny Chen
                                                                    Jenny Chen  1 weeks back

                                                                    Does anyone know where does 0:44 come from?

                                                                    • Luke Francis
                                                                      Luke Francis  1 weeks back

                                                                      Isn’t it weird that his hair isn’t green in Arkham?

                                                                      • Tihana Dević
                                                                        Tihana Dević  1 weeks back

                                                                        I think Arthur's colleague killed those three guys and then gave him a gun to set him up for the murder, later he told his boss that Arthur asked him to get him a gun .The murder scene in the movie is actually a delusion ... and after the scene he enters the fridge everything is also a delusion, before that the police sirens are heard in the background and at that moment he was actually arrested

                                                                        • Belestair Mamoru
                                                                          Belestair Mamoru  1 weeks back

                                                                          comic book joker knows he as comic book character. There is one where he comes to realise (or is written as so), where he changes his mind and beleives hes a real person, and her changes and becomes a good person.
                                                                          Maybe this movie joker figures out he is a movie character... thats the joke.

                                                                          • Steve Astbury
                                                                            Steve Astbury  1 weeks back

                                                                            Watch the film, read Asylum Piece by Anna Kavan then go for a long walk on a cold beach

                                                                            • Autismo
                                                                              Autismo  1 weeks back

                                                                              Personally I flip the whole "You wouldn't get it" meaning he isn't the real Joker on its head. I think that the joke IS on the audience, but in another way, in that everyone overanalyze the film suggesting he's not the Joker or he's the original Joker or one of multiple Jokers when in reality he is and we're all debating whether he is/isn't and trying to explain why he is/isn't and understand Arthur Fleck when we simply can't. Just like the psychologist. "I used to think my life was a tragedy, now I realize it's a fuckin' comedy" his life is the joke. And we'll never understand his life, or him.

                                                                              • Daniel Travanti
                                                                                Daniel Travanti  1 weeks back

                                                                                It is not “The Joker”, dumbass”, it is “Joker”. I realize that the presenter is simply reading something that someone(s) else wrote, and shoved in her hands, but have some degree of professionalism, or at least, fix it in post. Fuck.

                                                                                • Shobna Segran
                                                                                  Shobna Segran  1 weeks back

                                                                                  Tbh the background music *DID NOT MATCH*

                                                                                  • Leroy Gallagher
                                                                                    Leroy Gallagher  1 weeks back

                                                                                    Id like to see a sequel where Arthurs delusions mesh with reality...also id like to know when and where his chemistry background comes from

                                                                                    • flowkeys tree
                                                                                      flowkeys tree  1 weeks back

                                                                                      What if it all was an helusination from thebeghining and he's been sat in that chair the whole time like a passing fought and the joke is we fought it was real

                                                                                      • SJ Osio
                                                                                        SJ Osio  1 weeks back

                                                                                        (From a Game of Thrones Fan) If I have my “expectations subverted” again with Arthur not being the Joker, I’m going to lose it.

                                                                                        • autumn barnette
                                                                                          autumn barnette  1 weeks back

                                                                                          Loved it either way hahah hahhhahhaaa

                                                                                          • Frances Dun
                                                                                            Frances Dun  1 weeks back

                                                                                            Well, if this whole thing was imagined by Arthur when he was locked up in Arkham asylum, this movie must be the darkest movie I might ever watch in my entire life. Even thinking about this idea makes me so sad… OMFG

                                                                                            • xyhmo
                                                                                              xyhmo  1 weeks back

                                                                                              But there was at least one significant scene that's not from the jokers perspective, which was the killing of Bruce parents, and also scenes from the clown riot. And those riots happened partly because of the subway murders (which started the clown meme).

                                                                                              • GraysonKade
                                                                                                GraysonKade  1 weeks back

                                                                                                The whole idea of the entire moving having not happened and just being the delusion or made up story by a random whacko is the lamest theory ever. Haha I mean it defeats the entire purpose of the movie. There is perhaps no lamer trope than the old "it was all a dream" and it would be especially lame in a movie about the origin of a character...one that actually exists haha. If you're going to make a movie called "Joker" about the character the joker, part of it means the story actually had to have happened and the character is a real person otherwise you could have called the movie anything and the entire batman/wayne angle, etc, would have all been unnecessary. Shittiest idea ever and would effectively ruin the movie.


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